I picked up a hammered #8 lid. All signs are that it is a Wagner - it has the characteristic small scalloping under the lid. What is puzzling is that it appears to have a finish on it - it is hard, and etank applications have no effect on it. It has some chips in it, so you can see it in person but doesn't show in pics too great. It really doesn't look like nickel plated. Did these ever come in enamel coated? Or some other finish?