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Old 02-17-2016, 12:11 PM
Bonnie Scott Bonnie Scott is offline
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Trashing Wagner on a cast iron collector forum sounds a lot to me like insolence designed to provoke enmity between members. That unmarked Victor skillet is a nice pan. I wish I knew how to photoshop a Wagner into this girls hand but I don't.
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Old 02-17-2016, 12:43 PM
W. Hilditch W. Hilditch is offline
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Sorry Kevin, I donít have it in a neat little pile to post. It is info Iíve seen over the years but had no reason to save. Some of one side of the coin can be found on this site and the rest is out there on the internet.

This thread was posted to unearth the up side of Wagner, not to make, defend or argue a case against Wagner. My understanding/opinion is just that. Nothing more and this thread is my attempt to broaden it out.

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Old 02-17-2016, 04:36 PM
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We all have our favorite pans and of course makers. We then look for reasons as to why this one is better than another. I am a rank amateur in cast iron so I am happy to listen to reasonings and theory.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:25 PM
W. Hilditch W. Hilditch is offline
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Maybe Scott, if heís not working on his Ford, can share some more thoughts on the plus side of Wagner.

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Old 02-18-2016, 12:26 AM
Doug D. Doug D. is offline
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The group is so-named because WAGS makes a better acronym than GAWS, That, and there was already a "Griswold & Cast Iron Cookware Association" from which they were intent on differentiating and distancing themselves. The book is so-titled simply because it deals with Wagner primarily and with Griswold secondarily, not as an implied endorsement of one over the other. Its companion volume is the reverse in both title and focus of content.

When one presents an opinion worded as an unequivocal statement of fact, it tends to do more harm than good in the CI collecting world, and especially on the internet where people are prone to the taking and repeating of only snatches of information without fully reading and comprehending before forming their own opinions. If one is unable or unwilling to provide at least a reference to a source supporting such opinion that can be examined, researched further, verified as reasonably plausible or, alternatively, debunked, one should refrain from the making of assertions in that manner here.
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Old 02-18-2016, 01:04 AM
W. Hilditch W. Hilditch is offline
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If one is unable or unwilling to provide at least a reference to a source supporting such opinion that can be examined, researched further, verified as reasonably plausible or, alternatively, debunked, one should refrain from the making of assertions in that manner here.
OK Doug. I hereby present the forums and libraries of this site and WAGS as the basis for my opinions as they have both contributed heavily to my opinions. I sure do hope that your above restrictions on opinions does not kill members opinions, however flawed or undocumented they may be.

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Old 02-18-2016, 05:46 AM
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The #1 reason I picked Wagner to collect is price. I live on a fixed income and when I first started to collect Cast Iron, I looked at all the different foundries and noticed that when the Griswold name was invoked, the price jumped a decimal point in the wrong direction for my funds. Wagner was a foundry that has been around almost as long as Griswold and has a lower collective price. As in most anything in life, there are experts in their chosen field and users/fanciers. I like to collect Cast Iron but it's not an area of study to me.

I guess in so many words is I know about a lot of things, I'm just not an expert at any one. Yes I like Fords, Cast Iron, Santa Claus, Lighthouses, and Antenna Balls but it's a passion of the heart, not the facts. Besides, if we all liked one thing it would become boring fast. I support Hilditch in his unique way of coming at things in a way most of us don't look at. I also love a good debate.

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Old 02-18-2016, 04:10 PM
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The #1 reason I picked Wagner to collect is price. I live on a fixed income and when I first started to collect Cast Iron, I looked at all the different foundries and noticed that when the Griswold name was invoked, the price jumped a decimal point in the wrong direction for my funds. Wagner was a foundry that has been around almost as long as Griswold and has a lower collective price. As in most anything in life, there are experts in their chosen field and users/fanciers. I like to collect Cast Iron but it's not an area of study to me.

I guess in so many words is I know about a lot of things, I'm just not an expert at any one. Yes I like Fords, Cast Iron, Santa Claus, Lighthouses, and Antenna Balls but it's a passion of the heart, not the facts. Besides, if we all liked one thing it would become boring fast. I support Hilditch in his unique way of coming at things in a way most of us don't look at. I also love a good debate.

Scott

Antenna balls?! I had to reach way back to remember these!

I also LOVE Bonnie's photo, that would be great if the girl were holding CI.

For me, it depends on the pan and the use. My go to #10 is a Wagner (was my grandmothers), my go to #8 is that one with the v under the 8, don't know who made it but it is it is lighter than my previous go to Griswold. I have this beautiful Griswold DO, yet, I find myself grabbing the unmarked one all the time. Not sure why, maybe the Griswold is too pretty...
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:17 PM
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I, on the other hand, prefer a good discussion. The problem with debate is it's not about learning and sharing. It's not about finding truth or new information. It's about defending a position, arguing a point, winning and not losing. It's about strategy and device. The last comment, however, did make me think of debate:
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I hereby present the forums and libraries of this site and WAGS as the basis for my opinions as they have both contributed heavily to my opinions. I sure do hope that your above restrictions on opinions does not kill members opinions, however flawed or undocumented they may be.
In debate, this is called employing a variation of the "straw man" argument. Rather than produce evidence in support of the original position (see post #1, that Wagner produced an inferior product and engaged in price-cutting), the author takes out of context and misrepresents the other side's statement (that the unsubstantiated opinion should not be mischaracterized as fact) as being in favor of suppressing the voicing of all opinions, and instead tries to make that the issue.

And 3 pages of posts later, we still have not learned whether or not Wagner actually intentionally used iron and finishing inferior to Griswold or if they engaged in price-cutting, nor has any information in support of either assertion been shared.
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:21 AM
W. Hilditch W. Hilditch is offline
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To Helen, Sharon, Kevin E, Scott & Ty; thank you for your input. Per post #1, if there are any other Wagner fans out there please let me know what you think.

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