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Old 03-20-2017, 10:00 PM
Doug D. Doug D. is offline
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I wouldn't try to correlate Victors to Eries that closely. The Victors with outside heat rings just the arc logo, p/n and size number pre-date the inset heat ring and more marked and fully marked versions. The Victor design changes appear to lag behind the Erie substantially, with Victors being made well into the 30s.
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:19 PM
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Thanks for the clarification, Doug.

I found this in an old WAGS thread about Victors.

VICTOR- with outside HR (w/o P/N) c1886-c1892 #7,#8,#9
VICTOR- with outside HR (with P/N) c1892-c1905 #7,#8,#9
VICTOR- with inset HR (no additional markings) c1905-c1909 #7,#8,#9
VICTOR- with inset HR- marked CAST IRON SKILLET c1910's-c1920's #7,#8,#9
VICTOR- with inset HR- Fully Marked (3 lines) c1920's-c1930's #5,#6,#7,#8,#9

I'm assuming line 3 there is inset heat ring (with P/N).

and Griswold ceased production of victor's in the 30's. So every victor should have a heat ring and the general rule would be that less markings are older than more markings?
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:59 PM
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Yes, the inset HR all have p/ns. Victor smooth bottoms do not exist AFAIK (never say never), but their Wagner counterpart Nationals do.
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Old 03-24-2017, 11:41 AM
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Rim diameter is 10 3/4 inches, base diameter is 9 1/2 inches, height is 1 7/8 inches.
Still need some work before seasoning for use.

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Old 03-24-2017, 12:05 PM
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The given depth of a Victor #9 in a catalog from what would have been the inset HR period is 1-7/8" with top OD 11" and bottom 9-1/8". For a recast using an actual Victor #9 as basis for a pattern, one would expect some shrinkage relative to a genuine Victor. At 1/8" of shrink per foot, that would make the recast top/bottom a bit under those dims and the height difference so negligible as to likely be unnoticeable. Assuming, of course, the catalog dims are exact, not nominal. Is there any evidence of buttering over a TM or a ghost of one at 12 o'clock?
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:53 PM
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Doug, no evidence of markings other than the 9 and dots in the number area and no ghost marks or disturbance of metal surface at 12 o'clock, there is another similar sized dot on the left of the handle bottom. Weight of the pan is 2.09 kgs or 4.6 lbs and stone grinding of the cooking surface and spouts was well done.

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Old 03-24-2017, 01:08 PM
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It looks enough like and is close enough in dimensions, after considering shrink, to make me think it's a reasonably competent (read: not back yard) casting by a small foundry, using a Victor to make a pattern. A major producer of the time would likely not have let a piece with those bubbles on the underside of the handle rim pass. That anomaly in the heat ring might be the gating. A method seen employed to bottom gate without leaving a big gate scar tucks it alongside the HR.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:30 PM
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Quite a few of these have shown up in Canada - sizes 8 and 9. None in the US so far. The dots around the number never seem to be in the same place.All have the same style. To date, unknown manufacturer.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:38 PM
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Thanks for the information fellows this helps if I happen to see another of this style.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:38 PM
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In the wee 1900's, there were some 300 active stove foundries in Canada. Heck knows how many of them made hollow ware - and that's not including the history back to the mid 1700s...
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