Hello all again! I have 2 remaining pans I cannot Identify. On the left is an unmarked #8 that I thought might be a Wagner because of the handle, perhaps before descriptions? But there is a crude #8 on the top of the handle that almost looks handwritten and that threw me off. On the bottom on the flattened triangle area of the handle near the pan there is a small "B". The other pan on the right is a gate marked griddle with a flat yet curved handle and a raised number 8 on the top of the handle. Underneath at the base of the handle there are 4 notches. Anyway to determine the maker? I appreciate any input.